Not Change
September 9, 2008 by Joshua Davis
McCain is not change, and neither is his wing man, Pallin. Obama is the change candidate, he is the candidate that used the change platform. Since the Republican convention it seems the Same Old Party has been trying to adopt change as it’s new name, with little challenge from Obama (swift boats anyone?). However Barack Obama is now visibly hitting back in an email he sent to supporters this afternoon:
[McCain's] new ad uses what news organizations are calling “naked lies” to reinvent two politicians whose records embody the same culture of corruption and far-right policies we’ve seen from the Bush administration.
The biggest whopper in the ad (that’s still being repeated day after day by McCain and Palin on the campaign trail) is that Governor Palin stopped the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere” — in fact, she supported it, and even hired a lobbyist in Washington to get more pork-barrel projects like it.
If the McCain-Palin campaign wants to have a debate about who is prepared to bring the change we need, we’re more than ready.
More than this not being change, the McCain story has been floundering on their experience equals judgment claims too. It seems they can’t use judgment to come up with their own campaign motto’s (the best judgment would be actually joining the progressive platform, not just using it’s campaign language).
You guys are idiots. I can speak for a few lets see 23,000 people in northern virginia alone who agree that McCain and Palin are an amazing duo. They WILL be the next President and VP. It is wrong for all of you to say he lies in his ads. Want lies? Go to Obamas interviews where he repeatedly flip-flops even saying he doesnt agree with war and then says he wants to move troops to afghanistan. Read up first. Stop saying crap about mccain when many young people like him. Its because of people like you that make the youth of American not want to vote.
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Sarah Palin is scary. And I mean scary. If god-forbid she has to become president, immigration may increase. OUT OF AMERICA,
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C
First those numbers are exaggerated, the City of Fairfax ( just for note, they open their council meetings with a prayer) fire department says the crowd was about 18,000 people. So yet another lie (or maybe just an exaggeration). McCain talks about changing Washington, but his innermost circle of advisers if filled with lobbyists from industries like oil, cars, multinational manufacturing companies, and more. How are you going to fix what’s broken in Washington while you take advice from the very people who broke it, I don’t know. Besides hasn’t he had 36 years to fix what’s broken?
Also, yes Joe Biden’s son was a lobbyist, just like the Democratic party use to take donations from lobbyists and special interest PACs. But Obama is changing Washington right now as we speak, and with Biden’s son cutting ties with his lobbyist past, and the DNC saying no to lobbyist dollars we can see real political reform going on now… and Obama isn’t even in the White House yet.
Lastly, I don’t mind having a discussion with those who differ on how to make America better, but can we please have an adult conversation and leave out superfluous words like “idiot”?
Koko
If you’re debating with a person calling you an idiot, it’s best to spell your words correctly. The word you should have used is emigration, meaning to leave a one’s country.
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Oh, please, the Democrats now aren’t taking money from corporations and special interests because Obama is changing the party and Washington “as we speak”? Didn’t the official DNC convention bag have the logo of AT&T emblazoned on it? How are you going to “fix Washington” using the same organizations and the same system that has created its culture of corruption? Haven’t the Democrat and the Republican parties been the major entities in control of our government for the past few decades in which little has been done on the major issues and the corruption has grown deeper? Has either party, when elected, ever made good on any type of promises whatsoever to “fix Washington”? Apparently not—the system is still broken now. The fact of the matter is that you can’t solve problems using the same kind of thinking that got you into these problems in the first place. We need to change the way we think politically, change our ideas about our own political system and human governance in general. Evidently, our ideas up to this point have dug us even further into a hole—each time a new, “change” administration (and every candidate promises change in some fashion because some people are always dissatisfied) has taken office, little is done about corruption. I’m not sure why people think that Barack Obama will be the magical individual who is finally able to work within a broken political system to change it. If you are immeshed in the system, then you can’t change it. If you are isolated and not a part of the system, then you can’t change it. How do you reconcile this to create a situation where a lessening of government corruption might occur? You give the People, who are outside of the corrupt political system, the power. They are both outside of the system and have the power to change it. Now, most people currently think that voting is how a citizen exercises their power—but voting is not the central power of government. Those who make the laws control when, how, or even if a citizen can vote. The real power of government is the power to make laws. And so, instead of pinning our hopes to another candidate from one of the two corrupt political parties and hoping that they will finally be the one to work against a system that they are immeshed in, I suggest that we direct our attention and pin our hopes to citizen empowerment and activism, and the National Initiative for Democracy (ni4d.org). And we should examine political candidates who make citizen engagement and empowerment a central theme of their campaigns (votenader.org). Thank you for your time reading, and I hope that I’ve spelled my words correctly.
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First of all, don’t you dare call me a liar.
["In front of a record crowd for the campaign, McCain and Palin offered themselves as agents of change.
"We'll bring about change. Sen. Obama has never taken on his party on any issue. We've taken on the old bulls," McCain said to more than 23-thousand supporters."]
So…just because one liberal newspaper questions that, we have actual records of how many people went in because it was checked at the gates! I was there, I would know. Second of all, you can have a different view but don’t call McCain a liar unless you are willing to say Obama lied too, which he did. Go watch the Bill O’Reilly interview where he clearly flip-flops or “lies” about a few things that he previously spoke about. Case in point, you can have your opinion but don’t attack a war hero and say he lies about things that he aren’t true.
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C,
Your making yourself sound quite ignorant.
There is a fine line between “flip-flops”/ policy changes and downright lying.
McCain has downright lied to the American people in many instances and in fear of great “attack” by C I will clearly outline the instances, few of many in which he has made erroneous claims.
1st: On the View and on many instances McCain has defended the fact that Sarah Palin refused money for Pet projects and earmarks in Alaska. This is completely false unless you believe that aerial wolf hunting is something that needs such funds. Not to mention the $256 million dollars in earmarks she asked for last year ( $3.2 million dollars in funding for seal mating habits research
2nd: McCain has repeatedly spread the lie that Barrack Obama will raise taxes on the middle class. These false claims are completely unsubstantiated and in fact Barrack Obama’s tax plan reduces the burden on Middle Class families with a tax cut three times John McCain’s for 95% of working class families.
If these are not lies, than what are? Flip-Flopping and policy changes are a part of politics just ask your man McCain. I mean he was an ardent supporter of immigration amnesty and now what happened? The Far Right got to him and now he is a totally different man.
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Elizabeth
The DNC convention was organized long before Obama shored up his nomination and had control over what went on, and the convention organizers (who are separate from the DNC by the way) were the ones that took corporate sponsorships.
Yes every party does run on change, but the GOP offers the wrong kind of change because every time in modern history they leave office, the economy is in shambles. While Americans care about having an honest government, they care more about how the policies in Washington affect them. When energy laws are written by Dick Cheney’s oil friends that affects Americans on a personal level. When a president gets his dick sucked that doesn’t so much affect us.
C
How is calling a fact you quoted a lie the equivalent of calling you a liar? You Republicans just want to feel victimized.
Secondly in the last 8 years, for the most part it’s been the Republicans who are the party of corruption. So Obama hasn’t been able to take on his own party. Secondly he has taken on both Dems and the GOP by partnering with others to pass strong ethics legislation, including enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips while in the US Senate, and he passed the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history
Lastly, I’m thankful of John McCain’s service, but being a war hero doesn’t entitle you to have whatever you want. If it did we’d sure see a lot fewer homeless people. In fact in some of the classes I take I meet veterans of the Iraq war, and let me tell you, they don’t go whining to the professor asking for an A when they did B work because they served our country in Iraq. Instead they either take the B, or work harder next time. John McCain isn’t entitled to become president because of his time in a POW camp.
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McCain is not the liar, and neither are the ones who support him. Obama has changed his views to seem more appealling to the people. Take his stance on Abortion. He first said that abortion should be available to any women, teen or non-teen, without parents consent. Then, at the forum in the Saddleback CHURCH, he said he wanted legislation that would allow women to find alternatives. THIS IS FLIP FLOPPING!! And all of you call MCcain the liar? I bet none of you know who Jerimiah Wright is or Bill Ayers? LOOK THEM UP. THEY ARE RADICALS. THEY ARE OBAMA’s MENTOR AND FRIEND!
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Obama has always said he believes that government should make it so that a woman doesn’t feel the need for an abortion, which isn’t much differnent from what he said at the forum.
As for Wright, Obama cut ties with him long ago, and him and Ayers were never that close. This site actualy covered the whole Wright issue, you can use the search bar to see what we said, which most of it we disagread with. To say “Obama and Wright are still freinds” is definatly a lie.
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go to youtube, type in “Obama Planned Parenthood” and you will hear his true opinion on abortion, to support it no matter what. He voted to allow teens to cross state lines in order to get an abortion (Vote #216 check this web.: http://obama.senate.gov/votes/109/index.cfm?start=26). He opposed the Born Alive Act, meaning he believes that those infants born after a failed abortion should be killed.
Obama “cut” ties with Jerimiah Wright when the issue first appeared in the news, sometime before May of this year. He made a speech saying that he “can no more disown him [Jerimiah Wright] than I can disown my own grandmother…” If you listen to MSNBC, or other news orgs like them, many called his speech the greatest speech on race since Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech.
David Axelrod, Obama’s campaign manager, confirmed in early 2008 that Obama was a close friend with Ayers; Obama also worked for Ayers many years ago. look it up on legitamite websites.
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Obama is not anti-abortion, he just believes that the government can and should run more social programs that help a mother not feel the need for an abortion, but after the government has done everything to encourage her to avoid abortion, it is ultimately her right to choose what she does with her body. I don’t think anyone has tried to say Obama is “pro-life.”
As for Pastor Wright, he made those comments before he cut ties with the man, but after some of Wrights comments where taken out of context by the media. After Wright started making comments in support of his incendiary comments, Obama then cut ties with him, including leaving his life long church.
Anyways since Wright isn’t running for president why are we talking about him?
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The reason why we’re talking about right is because he was Obama’s spiritual mentor for 20 years!! Remeber, Wright said God d_ _ n America! He hates America. That is why were talking about Obama and Wright in the same sentance, as we should be with Obama and Ayers, the terrorist.
As for Obama and abortion, click the link in the post above yours, find out for yourself that Obama doesn’t want to lower the number of abortions, he wants them increase. By the way , he also said that if his daughters were to get pregnant, he doesn’t “want them punished with a baby”. If you want to talk about a man who wants abortion alternatives, talk about McCain.
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Obama’s view on abortion has been the same, he’s against some of the more extreme forms of abortion (like partial birth), but when a piece of legislation is written in a way that does more than what it’s title says, he votes no. I’m sure as a McCain supporter you’re well aware of voting no on popular legislation because you’re man thinks it contains a small amount of flaws.
Since you still want to play the guilt by association game… born in 1941 Jeremiah Wright grew up in an America that was much more hostile to black men than it is today. What Wright said was “The government gives [blacks] the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people.”
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